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  • AndyWAndyW Glasgow Scotland UK✭✭✭ Clarinets & Saxes- Selmer, Conn, Buescher, Leblanc et.al. // Guitars: Gerome, Caponnetto, Napoli, Musicalia, Bucolo, Sanchez et. al.
    Posts: 617

    That picture of a Caponnetto came from the internet somewhere, mine is the big black one with the soundhole rosette . I'm pretty sure your guitar originally would have been like the one pictured above, and the pickup & wiring were added years later.

    elianu
  • elianuelianu New Caponnetto Di Mauro
    Posts: 45

    Good afternoon everyone!

    Recenty I bought another guitar which has the exact tailpiece I needed for my Caponnetto.

    It's a Salvatore d'Angelo, one of the numerous luthiers based in Catania.

    The guitar has two major cracks in the back, just like the Caponnetto but it's its only problem. Tuners are alright, just dirty and a bit rusted;tailpiece is ok and also the bridge is good.

    The pickguard with the dancing girl needs to be reglued on a little spot ( the front leg it's lifting a bit). I was thinking of swap the tailpice, adding this one on the Caponnetto and buying a vintage one for this one.

    It's a quite large guitar, I wouldn't say a Jumbo but it's pretty big.


    WillieChrisMartinBucoAndyWBillDaCostaWilliamsbillyshakes
  • ChrisMartinChrisMartin Shellharbour NSW Australia✭✭ Di Mauro x2, Petrarca, Genovesi, Burns, Kremona Zornitsa & Paul Beuscher resonator.
    Posts: 959

    Nice, and another good example of a colorful Catanian pickguard. That split in the back should not present a great problem, a clean break along the grain is an easy fix, otherwise it looks good. If you use that tailpiece on the Caponetto then you can get a cheap replacement by using one of the many Asian made copies of the resonator style, they are a similar shape. Look on ebay for ' resonator tailpiece '.

    elianuAndyW
  • AndyWAndyW Glasgow Scotland UK✭✭✭ Clarinets & Saxes- Selmer, Conn, Buescher, Leblanc et.al. // Guitars: Gerome, Caponnetto, Napoli, Musicalia, Bucolo, Sanchez et. al.
    edited July 2022 Posts: 617

    Ciao Elianu, -<edit> funny, there's a picture of a Salvatore d'Angelo with the dancing child inlay on page 15 of this thread - is that the one you bought??

    --=--

    I saw that Sig. Ivan Rinaldi in Sicilia recently posted a picture of some old Italian(?) guitar tailpieces on his instagram - perhaps you could contact him.


    I had considered buying this old Caponnetto for sale near me, it has a neck break at the headstock. I reckon I could repair & restore it, but do i need another one ?? :-)



    whatever I do, i certainly won't be buying this guitar at the comedy price of £1850 - Gawd loves a trier., it's worth about £50


    -Andy-

    elianu
  • elianuelianu New Caponnetto Di Mauro
    Posts: 45


    Hello Andy, yes that is exactly the guitar I bought! I didn't know it appeared here before. I'm in contact with Ivan Rinaldi since a month or two, when I first go my Caponnetto: I've contacted him if he knew something about my model, and also if he had more tailpieces ( that photo you posted with the tailpieces he sent me it on whatsapp, i was thinking of getting the first one from left ).

    What about that pretty Caponnetto you've seen, I wouldn't take it; I mean YES I would 100% take it but as you say do I need it? Many of you may know how much expensive becomes this passion even though having these pieces of history Is really satisfying.

    Indeed i haven't just bought this Salvatore d'Angelo, I've also found (for a nice price a would say) and got myself a Di Mauro parlor, with more work to do.


    The £1850 Caponnetto it is just a robbery.

    BucoBillDaCostaWilliamsAndyWbillyshakes
  • billyshakesbillyshakes NoVA✭✭✭ Park Avance - Dupont Nomade - Dupont DM-50E
    Posts: 1,408

    @elianu Nice find! You should name her "Little Coquette." Good luck with the repairs.

    elianu
  • elianuelianu New Caponnetto Di Mauro
    Posts: 45

    Hi everbody, I was studying the Salvatore d'Angelo guitar before start working on it and I was wondering If it was better to remove all the back (with iron/steam), regluing all the pieces togheter or If it was better to reglue the cracks right on the guitar, so clamping and squeezing the guitar.


    I ask to you since I've seen pretty works here on the site and tought taht someone could advice me the best.



    Elia

  • AndyWAndyW Glasgow Scotland UK✭✭✭ Clarinets & Saxes- Selmer, Conn, Buescher, Leblanc et.al. // Guitars: Gerome, Caponnetto, Napoli, Musicalia, Bucolo, Sanchez et. al.
    Posts: 617

    Heay Elianu -

    Personally , I'd remove all the pieces of the back and reglue them together with extra strengthening 'cleats' .

    Might be a bit tricky as it looks to be curved / domed.

    You should check & measure the neck-to-body angle before you remove, as taking the back off might change this angle and you will want to reset it before you glue the back on.

    Other more experienced luthiers & repair folk might disagree - Good luck

  • ChrisMartinChrisMartin Shellharbour NSW Australia✭✭ Di Mauro x2, Petrarca, Genovesi, Burns, Kremona Zornitsa & Paul Beuscher resonator.
    Posts: 959

    Agreed with AndyW. I have done similar repairs that way but care is needed. Hopefully it is held together with the original hide glue which is easier to separate than later chemical glues. If so, I use an electric clothes iron set on medium heat but place a towel over the area to be heated to prevent damage to the finish. If you move the iron around a given area slowly you should get enough heat through without burning the finish. Then probing gently with the corner of a paint scraper it should start to come off. That part is easy, all you need is patience and care.

    Next, to glue the pieces together with cleats at least every 2 inches (50mm) along the crack.

    Once that has set, give it at least 24 hours before handling.

    Now the tricky bit. Removing the back will have left the sides free to change shape and as AndyW said, the neck angle will be free to move up and down relative to the top. Of course it is important the back goes on keeping the exact same shape and how you manage this requires a bit of thought. You could try making a template by cutting some pieces of board or mdf to the exact profile BEFORE removing the back; at least two pieces for each side, then these can be glued to make a temporary mould with small 1 or 2 inch blocks to space them apart which can then be screwed to a workbench or base plate board and the used to hold the exact shape while regluing the back. There are probably other variations on this method but basically you are taking a mould off the complete guitar before removing the back.

    I have done it that way before but if it is all too tricky you can try using many clamps or even a ratchet tie-down strap, (the type you use to hold things down in the back of a pickup or trailer) with various wedges and blocks as required to keep the shape but this does need a slow curing glue as it will take a long time of fiddling until you have adjusted all of the clamps to match the profile to the back.

    Well writing all of that turned out a bit longer than I expected but if it makes it sound fiddly, well yes it is.

    Good luck.

  • ChrisMartinChrisMartin Shellharbour NSW Australia✭✭ Di Mauro x2, Petrarca, Genovesi, Burns, Kremona Zornitsa & Paul Beuscher resonator.
    Posts: 959

    Yes of course you NEED another, and anyway who else is going to save it and make it playable if you don't?

    But yes that ebay price is a bit odd, I guess some people have the nerve to try it on, and why not? Like buying a lottery ticket, you have to be in it to win it.

    I guess it is contagious, like Covid, as there is another very plain one priced equally optimistically on ebay Italy:

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/265347221112

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