Adrien Moignard's demos his rhythm approach on Minor Swing



  • Love he way Adrien makes subtle changes to the rhythm that are very musical to my ear.
    The Magic really starts to happen when you can play it with your eyes closed
  • edited May 2014 Posts: 4,812
    @bohemewarbler so what did Adrian say about the 2&4, muted or not?
    He can play this style of rhythm as good as anyone on the scene today so you went to the right guy.
    But I'd guess he said that they aren't muted.
    Even if they sometimes sound muted, and sometimes they probably are because as good as these guys are they can't be perfect 100% of the time, thinking of those beats as muted is I think a wrong approach.

    Rather, think of them a a drum brush hit, with a hint of a chord. There is only enough pressure on the strings to give a slight hint of notes but loose enough to be percussive.
    I do similarly as you though, meaning I listen a lot to what I wanna crack and try to imitate and try to be aware of the sound I'm making and do small adjustments as I play and listen for changes, better or worse. And lastly I figure if I do it long enough I'll get close.

    Every note wants to go somewhere-Kurt Rosenwinkel
  • bohemewarblerbohemewarbler St. Louis, MO✭✭✭✭ Jordan Wencek No.26, Altamira M01D-12 fret
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    Hey Buco,

    Adrian didn't correct me if I called it "muted," but he refers to it as "music/percussion" with the 1 and 3 beats being music and the 2 and 4 beats being percussion. You can get the drift of this by looking at Archtop Eddy's Corner on the forum here, "AE Video: Finding the Elusive Gyspy Swing Rhythm!" I think we can probably agree that in this style the pitches in the chord on beats 2 and 4 are minimized to give a more percussive feel. However, Adrian stressed that it's important to play through all of the strings on all beats. He showed me how I was shortening my stroke on beats 1 and 3 and didn't realize it until then. He also pointed out that in order to be able to play exactly like these new school players, one might have to find chord voicings that are more complementary to all strings being played through. That might be a challenge.

    I've attached my interpretation of Adrien Moignard's fingering and chord progression for "Minor Swing" as demonstrated in the video. I left string B and E open to interpretation. Some people might prefer to press on the fret where the G string is pressed, where others might prefer to mute the B and E. In either case, all strings should be played through.

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    @bohemewarbler that's it, music/percussion. But I don't think that analogy is a new thing, I think that's how old school guys saw it too, being that American jazz/swing bands with a drummer were their inspiration. The new school guys put a fresh spin on it though.

    I watched the "elusive" video multiple times. It's great, one of the best ever done to show what's going on. It also showed that there isn't a single gospel but that you can have a lot of personal preference in your own choices. Once you get in the pocket there's room to make it swing your own way.
    Every note wants to go somewhere-Kurt Rosenwinkel
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