I always said I would not come back on here because of insulting behaviour from member croth supported by so-called moderator Bones but really this can not go by without some protest so I will make one exception.
Anyone who is interested should be able to tell a genuine Di Mauro without needing the label, in my experience most never had them anyway. I can not see why anyone who owns, or is restoring a genuine Di Mauro would want or need one of these. Yet this can only encourage people to create fakes or attribute a reputable name to an unknown guitar.
Ebay has many dodgy sellers offering for example Fender decals to disguise cheap Asian copies and more fool those who fall for it - Caveat Emptor or as the old saying goes 'A fool and his money are soon parted'.
Something should be done to stop this kind of trickery.
Next, Favino labels, little Busato tags to stick on the neck end of anonymous GJ boxes and then, why not, Selmer labels using the numbers that are listed as unknown in the François Charle book.
Meanwhile, for anyone interested, I have a genuine Di Mauro - without such a label - listed on Reverb at a bargain price; I am not listing it here, I do not look in that often, but it will be easy for anyone to find if they want it.
Chris, would you like to help me develop a "marque au fer" in the style of A. Di Mauro for everyone's next restoration project? 🤷♂️ I mean, maybe it got accidentally sanded off? Or maybe you had to replace your headstock, wouldn't we all want to have that familiar mark back there? Ha ha.😂
Yeah, I don't see what the need of this product was, but wanted to give someone here a chance to explain themselves in case it was their posting. I mean, I've heard of having things "pass the smell test" for authenticity, but I didn't know I'd have to try to detect Bounce sheets to know its a fake! Looks like it comes from a guitar shop of some repute (plenty of feedback), though when I followed a google search link, I got a bunch of Amazon pop-up adds telling me I'd won something. Caveat emptor, indeed.
Robert at Keith Holland Guitars makes those. They're not intended for people to counterfeit Di Mauros...I bought one because my chorus deluxe lost it's label and I wanted a period correct one in the box. I own 3 Di Mauros and always thought I would just make my own replica, and turns out Robert did already.
They're a reputable shop and work on a lot of guitarists instruments here in the bay. Paul Mehling, Nelsen Hutchison, etc.
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Another reason why we should buy a guitar according to what it feels and sounds instead of being fooled by the label. Fake or real.
It was I that painstakingly recreated those Di Mauro Labels so we could glue them into actual Di Mauros that our music store restores and sells. The reproduction labels are printed on hand-made paper created using a old-school frame and deckle, and a paper slurry of junk mail and dryer lint, which produces a final product that looks and feels old like old paper without having to be faux aged. They are not made to be put into non-Di Mauros, and never was it our intention to fool anyone. That is just silly. We put the labels into verified Di Mauros, and only sell to people that can prove they own an actual Di Mauro in need of a label. Then, we establish a date for their guitar and suggest the proper era label. Nothing nefarious. Enough with the pearl-clutching and overreaction- only a few people in the whole world care about vintage guitars, and even fewer give two poops about Gypsy Jazz, while even fewer know what a Di Mauro is. This product is for those few and, instead of being pumped, you all are upset, which amuses me greatly. All except you, Everett. Thank you, good sir.
I personally have Samson Schmitt's St Louis Blues, which we restored and added a label to. Moreover, I own a really clean Chorus Deluxe and a Boogie Woogie that also got my labels. My rhythm player and Luthier, Ron La France owns three Di Mauro's that we restored, and they too have these labels. And as Everett said in his reply, our store is a GJ mecca in the area, hosting clinics and shows with Samson Schmitt, Paul Mehling, Muriel Andersen, Jimmy Grant, Dave Ricketts, Vic Wong, Evan Price, ****, Saga/Gitane guitars, Eastman Strings, and others. People drive many hours and from other states to see our jazz guitar inventory and check out our selection of GJ guitars and accessories.
As GJ acoustics go, Di Mauros are not expensive, not well known, and the least flashy of the builds of that era; they were the Silvertone/Harmony/Danelectro of their time, and were even given out as prizes at French Carnivals. Not sure why one would try to fake a Di Mauro, but this label wouldn't fool anyone that really REALLY knows. As the creator of the repro, I am well aware of a view specific details that were impossible to copy exactly, thus making it easy to spot a fake one. Not to mention, there are tons of other clues that would make it easy to identify a fake Di Mauro. None of the fake Di Mauros I have identified online sport one of my labels- I'd know since I know where I sell each one.
Who wants these labels? People that bought a cheap Di Mauro and restored it like we did, and they want a label for the icing on the cake. It brings many players joy to see the label and smile every time the guitar is pulled from the case.
Why did I do it? Easy: recycling junk mail and dryer lint to reduce my carbon foot print and save the environment, while also creating a cool piece of ephemera that people can add to their instrument and bring them added joy. It was a win-win. Surprised more people don't see how cool this project is. Moreover, we recycle more than just paper- we build Mandos and GJ acoustics out of old pianos that are left for dead, and restore many lesser guitars while we hone our craft, reducing landfill. Trees are important and limited resource, and we make all efforts to limit waste.
Thanks to the KKKaren out there that recently flagged our Reverb post - you got your wish for now, but be aware that lots of people think these label are bitching and will continue to use them to supplement their restoration projects.
Well we needed to see and read this ^^^ to see how cool this project is.
But, I reread the thread three times to find the upset and fist pumping and what I saw was Bill being curious, Andy joking with a touch of sarcasm, Bill (da Costa) asking a question etc... there's Chris but that's his usual tone and that might've been his last visit anyway... I wish you success with what you do, it's very cool.
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I suppose we'll have to watch out for a whole lot of cheap guitars being passed-off as valuable vintage DiMauros now...
I always said I would not come back on here because of insulting behaviour from member croth supported by so-called moderator Bones but really this can not go by without some protest so I will make one exception.
Anyone who is interested should be able to tell a genuine Di Mauro without needing the label, in my experience most never had them anyway. I can not see why anyone who owns, or is restoring a genuine Di Mauro would want or need one of these. Yet this can only encourage people to create fakes or attribute a reputable name to an unknown guitar.
Ebay has many dodgy sellers offering for example Fender decals to disguise cheap Asian copies and more fool those who fall for it - Caveat Emptor or as the old saying goes 'A fool and his money are soon parted'.
Something should be done to stop this kind of trickery.
Next, Favino labels, little Busato tags to stick on the neck end of anonymous GJ boxes and then, why not, Selmer labels using the numbers that are listed as unknown in the François Charle book.
Meanwhile, for anyone interested, I have a genuine Di Mauro - without such a label - listed on Reverb at a bargain price; I am not listing it here, I do not look in that often, but it will be easy for anyone to find if they want it.
Do these ones have a watermark, though?
The Ebay listing suggests they do which would put them in a different category to the fake Gibson and other labels I've seen for sale.
Chris, would you like to help me develop a "marque au fer" in the style of A. Di Mauro for everyone's next restoration project? 🤷♂️ I mean, maybe it got accidentally sanded off? Or maybe you had to replace your headstock, wouldn't we all want to have that familiar mark back there? Ha ha.😂
Yeah, I don't see what the need of this product was, but wanted to give someone here a chance to explain themselves in case it was their posting. I mean, I've heard of having things "pass the smell test" for authenticity, but I didn't know I'd have to try to detect Bounce sheets to know its a fake! Looks like it comes from a guitar shop of some repute (plenty of feedback), though when I followed a google search link, I got a bunch of Amazon pop-up adds telling me I'd won something. Caveat emptor, indeed.
I think the watermark is on the overall image, and not the specifie labels. I see it in the black spaces between the labels as well.
Robert at Keith Holland Guitars makes those. They're not intended for people to counterfeit Di Mauros...I bought one because my chorus deluxe lost it's label and I wanted a period correct one in the box. I own 3 Di Mauros and always thought I would just make my own replica, and turns out Robert did already.
They're a reputable shop and work on a lot of guitarists instruments here in the bay. Paul Mehling, Nelsen Hutchison, etc.
Another reason why we should buy a guitar according to what it feels and sounds instead of being fooled by the label. Fake or real.
Good Day Gadjos!
It was I that painstakingly recreated those Di Mauro Labels so we could glue them into actual Di Mauros that our music store restores and sells. The reproduction labels are printed on hand-made paper created using a old-school frame and deckle, and a paper slurry of junk mail and dryer lint, which produces a final product that looks and feels old like old paper without having to be faux aged. They are not made to be put into non-Di Mauros, and never was it our intention to fool anyone. That is just silly. We put the labels into verified Di Mauros, and only sell to people that can prove they own an actual Di Mauro in need of a label. Then, we establish a date for their guitar and suggest the proper era label. Nothing nefarious. Enough with the pearl-clutching and overreaction- only a few people in the whole world care about vintage guitars, and even fewer give two poops about Gypsy Jazz, while even fewer know what a Di Mauro is. This product is for those few and, instead of being pumped, you all are upset, which amuses me greatly. All except you, Everett. Thank you, good sir.
I personally have Samson Schmitt's St Louis Blues, which we restored and added a label to. Moreover, I own a really clean Chorus Deluxe and a Boogie Woogie that also got my labels. My rhythm player and Luthier, Ron La France owns three Di Mauro's that we restored, and they too have these labels. And as Everett said in his reply, our store is a GJ mecca in the area, hosting clinics and shows with Samson Schmitt, Paul Mehling, Muriel Andersen, Jimmy Grant, Dave Ricketts, Vic Wong, Evan Price, ****, Saga/Gitane guitars, Eastman Strings, and others. People drive many hours and from other states to see our jazz guitar inventory and check out our selection of GJ guitars and accessories.
As GJ acoustics go, Di Mauros are not expensive, not well known, and the least flashy of the builds of that era; they were the Silvertone/Harmony/Danelectro of their time, and were even given out as prizes at French Carnivals. Not sure why one would try to fake a Di Mauro, but this label wouldn't fool anyone that really REALLY knows. As the creator of the repro, I am well aware of a view specific details that were impossible to copy exactly, thus making it easy to spot a fake one. Not to mention, there are tons of other clues that would make it easy to identify a fake Di Mauro. None of the fake Di Mauros I have identified online sport one of my labels- I'd know since I know where I sell each one.
Who wants these labels? People that bought a cheap Di Mauro and restored it like we did, and they want a label for the icing on the cake. It brings many players joy to see the label and smile every time the guitar is pulled from the case.
Why did I do it? Easy: recycling junk mail and dryer lint to reduce my carbon foot print and save the environment, while also creating a cool piece of ephemera that people can add to their instrument and bring them added joy. It was a win-win. Surprised more people don't see how cool this project is. Moreover, we recycle more than just paper- we build Mandos and GJ acoustics out of old pianos that are left for dead, and restore many lesser guitars while we hone our craft, reducing landfill. Trees are important and limited resource, and we make all efforts to limit waste.
Thanks to the KKKaren out there that recently flagged our Reverb post - you got your wish for now, but be aware that lots of people think these label are bitching and will continue to use them to supplement their restoration projects.
Well we needed to see and read this ^^^ to see how cool this project is.
But, I reread the thread three times to find the upset and fist pumping and what I saw was Bill being curious, Andy joking with a touch of sarcasm, Bill (da Costa) asking a question etc... there's Chris but that's his usual tone and that might've been his last visit anyway... I wish you success with what you do, it's very cool.
Yeah, it was a little too dramatic.