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Also out of curiosity, where else would you use a loop end string besides a sel-mac type guitar?.
Also there's this little gadget:
http://www.jpstrings.com/braccess.htm#Wizard
Though at $50 is not a real solution unless you really like those Wyres
They're quite cheap...
http://www.sagamusic.com/catalog/detail ... =&BrandID=
Just a suggestion - contact the string maker and let them know about this problem, and perhaps give them a link to this discussion so that they can focus on fixing the problem.
Over many years I have done some (gratis) consulting work for Thomastic-Infeld, a first rate string maker in Austria. They had sent me and my lead-guitarist band-mate some proto-type gypsy strings to evaluate. They had windings too large for the HOLES of the posts. They were ball end strings. There were several other problems as well, and we convinced them not to put them out on the market as they were. They are still working on fixing the strings. I don't know if they'll ever see the light of day.
Sometimes I wonder if the various string makers actually give them to gypsy jazz players for real world evaluations, or if they have consulted with the gypsy guitar makers. I've seen results that look like they just came out of their development labs.
Personally, I've always gone back to the Savarez Argentine 10's. I enjoyed trying other types, but the Argentines are the benchmark standard and overall the most satisfactory.
"A small loop" couldn't mean smaller than others makers loops, could it?
Elliot, your right, Argies are soft for the fingers and sound terrific. Its nice to have choices and differences anyway. I left the GHS strings on a Cigano D hole, the ones that shipped with it. On that guitar, I thought they did something better on the low end. But I've bought so many sets of Argies that I can't afford to experiment now and I've been very happy with em. I especially love the sound of a fresh set, but I like em when their old too. I remember having windings coming loose years ago, but that seemed to be associated with that one batch (or maybe I played harder?) and haven't had a problem since.
It's dumb if someone is making strings that can't be mounted on the guitars they were built for, or posts that don't accept standard loops?
I'd guess a couple emails should take care of it. A slightly large loop than necessary would seem an advantage for the maker and not much disadvantage to the player. Just a little more likely to come off before you tension them?
The Wyres website has a list of the managements email addresses. Maybe some gentle nudges will produce strings that fit? Let's remember too that anyone making posts for tail pieces could be making them to big. I only have this one complaint (and my own similar experience with another brand) to go on.
You've all given good advice, as well as making solid comments, too.
Trying a ball from another string set :?: Yep, I tried, but my 58 y.o. eyes and stubby fingers couldn't cooperate with eah other, so I gave up. Maybe I gave up too soon.
Another tail-piece :?: Did you notice my last name? It's Scottish, and that should give you a hint about spending more money on my GJ-10 than I already have.
Buying strings that will work, prefereably Argies :?: I have a feeling that's my only recourse, too.
Talking with Wyres :?: Absolutely, I'm going to do that, but they DID advertise these strings as "small loop", and I'm guessing that means I should have checked first.
On a different note, I have had very good experience with Wyres on my other string sets. I had a G string that snapped at the ball when I was putting it on my Godin 5th Avenue. I sent an e-mail back to Wyres, and they popped another G string in the mail to me - no questions asked and no hassles given. That basically sold me on using them.
Anyway, thanks again for all the support and comments. I notice that nobody has described a way to expand the loop after it's been wrapped, so I guess that avenue is out. Right?
Ian
I admire your determination. Did you try the two nails thing?
missed your post, I've been busy all weekend. I'm going to try the nails tonight or tomorrow, but first I gotta get fed by the son. He's invited us over for a Father's day BBQ.
I'll post how things work tomorrow.
thanks again...
Ian
Well, I figured out what to do. :oops:
I tried the nail thing. It would work on the higher strings, but it just didn't seem to be the right thing. plus, the windings on the D, A, and low E wouldn't fit through the eyelet on the tailpiece.
I thought...I've already paid for these friggin' strings...I'm gonna make them work!
So...on to Heretic's advice...I took my needle-nose pliers and made a circle at the loop-end, threaded the string through the loop, and then used that new loop to fit around the ball. Once I started tightening the string on the tuners, I took the needle-noses again, and compressed the circle at the ball-end. Every string worked!
It's been about 1/2 hour, and they're still in tune, so only time will tell.
The Wyres definitely sound different from the originals on the GJ-10, giving more of a cross between a pure Gypsy Jazz sound and regular strings. They are powerful, though, and really push the sound out. I feel like they give a better separation to the notes than the old strings, plus...for someone like me, they offer more options to the sound.
Whether I'll still like them tomorrow...who knows. The strings are Wyres Hand Made Series P.T.F.E. Enhanced; .11, .15, .23, .29, .37, .46
Ian