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Anki spaced repetition flashcards for Gypsy Jazz

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  • Posts: 5,706

    I'm probably messing up its algorithm. Because I look at the time duration I feel I need or don't need, instead of actual button rating. Because I'm still deciding on what makes sense as far as how to think about it. It won't take me long to learn a new phrase, minutes. It won't take me long to use it in a song song, an hour. But for it to spontaneously show up during a gig or jam, we're talking months, years even. So I'm still not sure how to think about it but I'm enjoying today's practice.

    It just showed me this card

    And it's intervals like this that throw me off. I don't see the logic behind having 10 minutes or less behind good but 5 days behind easy. I'll just follow along and see what happens... Thank you for bringing this up.

    Every note wants to go somewhere-Kurt Rosenwinkel
  • AzazzellAzazzell CanadaNew
    edited September 4 Posts: 200



    Remember that Anki is designed to help medical students memorize large amounts of data for exams. And they use a lot of pre-made decks. Anki allows them to go through the deck, focus on the stuff that's challenging for them to learn, but still keeps them honest and occasionally tests them on the easy stuff they think they know. Of course it all hinges on self-evaluating honestly.

    Usually a card goes in 2 directions over time, something like this (on default settings, SM-2 algorithm, 1m 10m for learning_steps, 10m for re-learning_steps and 4 days for easy_interval):

    1. First review: I know this stuff from another lecture, press Easy, interval becomes 4 days
    2. Review in 4 days: still easy to remember, press Easy, interval becomes 12 days
    3. Review in 18 days: still easy to remember, press Easy, interval becomes 1.2 months
    4. Review in 1.2 months ...

    OR

    1. First review: never seen this stuff before, so press Again, interval becomes 1 minute
    2. Review in 1 minute: can't remember it, so press Again, interval becomes 1 minute
    3. Review in 1 minute: remembered it slow and it took effort, so press Hard, interval becomes 6 minutes (average of 1m step and 10m step rounded up)
    4. Review in 6 minutes: darn can't remember it, so press Again, interval becomes 1 minute
    5. Review in 1 minute: remembered it fast, so press Good, interval becomes 10 minutes
    6. Review in 10 minutes: remembered it slow and it took effort, so press Hard, interval becomes 25 minutes
    7. Review in 25 minutes: remembered it slow and it took effort, so press Hard, interval becomes 1.5 hours
    8. Review in 1.5 hours: remembered it fast, so press Good, card becomes graduated, interval becomes 1 day
    9. Review in 1 day: remembered it fast, so press Good, interval becomes 3 days
    10. Review in 3 days: remembered it fast, so press Good, interval becomes 7 days
    11. Review in 7 days : remembered it fast, so press Good, interval becomes 18 days
    12. Review in 18 days: darn don't remember it, so press Again, card becomes lapsed, interval goes to 10m and you start the re-learning process
    13. Review in 10 minutes ....

    I find that after a challenging card goes through 20-30 repetitions you either successfully have it in long term memory and will likely remember it for months and years, or it will be tagged as a Leech (https://docs.ankiweb.net/leeches.html) and you have to re-evaluate your strategy for learning that particular concept, or just give up memorizing that particular concept and hope it doesn't show up in the exam 🤣.

    For me jazz licks work in a very similar way. I have licks that I hear in my head (or have a memorable title, or some other kind of mnemonic) and I can recall instantly and pop into improvisations on the spot. I have licks that I need to work on but it feels that eventually I'll be able to recall and execute instantly. And there are some licks that for some reason just don't work out, so I need to improve technique, develop mnemonics, or just stop trying to learn them 😁.

    Buco
  • Posts: 5,706

    That was a great short course for dummies and thank you a million. I also made a mistake by changing the setting to allow 50 new cards daily, lol, and I changed that earlier to 5. The way you explain gradual increase when hitting good makes perfect sense. I didn't see it that way but probably screwed up the algorithm with my answers based on time I felt I wanted. Maybe I'll reset the whole thing and start over. I'm only my second day into it.

    Azazzell
    Every note wants to go somewhere-Kurt Rosenwinkel
  • edited August 27 Posts: 5,706

    Boy, this is fun. Now that I know more about it, I reset the deck progress and started fresh. I let it show me the lick, then I jump onto Soundslice and use it someplace. It also got me to dig into my archives and start pulling licks I've been composing over the years. I'll keep building the "licks" deck and we'll see. I'm doing good with the backing track, but the real test is if any of this stuff will start showing up when I'm playing live. I also listen to them in the car, trying to remember the names which instantly reminds me of their tonality and possible situations.

    @limalima I don't know if mentioned earlier...if you're just starting, try putting into context whatever you're practicing as soon as it's reasonably under your fingers. You might have to change a note or two, or tweak the timing and phrasing. Use a backing track, slow down if you need to. I still try stuff at 50% tempo. Just did now working out some stuff over Limehouse Blues. It'll get you to hear it in harmonic context.

    BillDaCostaWilliamslimalimaAzazzell
    Every note wants to go somewhere-Kurt Rosenwinkel
  • edited September 3 Posts: 5,706

    Does anyone know if can you look up what anki quizzed you on previously?

    Every note wants to go somewhere-Kurt Rosenwinkel
  • AzazzellAzazzell CanadaNew
    edited September 3 Posts: 200

    Not sure what you mean. Do you want to know how to look up a specific card that Anki quizzed you on already ? On the Android app to find cards you click on Decks in the top left and then you can select the Card Browser, then select the deck on the top that you want to search through. But it's very barebones and not user-friendly. The desktop app is way more useful in that regard. Not sure how things work on the iOS app.



    Buco
  • Posts: 5,706

    To look up your most recent card history. It quizzed me on four cards yesterday, but I could only remember two of them today. I wanted to practice just those some more prior to my gig tonight.

    Every note wants to go somewhere-Kurt Rosenwinkel
  • AzazzellAzazzell CanadaNew
    edited September 3 Posts: 200


    I don't know any way of viewing review history on the phone. In the desktop app there are add-ons that can show you detailed review history for each card, but add-ons don't work in the phone app.

    Maybe you can kinda use the Card Browser above and sort by Reviews.

    You can also try: long press on your deck -> Custom Study -> Review Ahead -> x days, which will force Anki to show you cards that will become due in the next x days, but that's not exactly what you're looking for.

    I think they limit you on purpose, because the whole point of Anki is to make you keep to a tight remembering and forgetting schedule 😁

    billyshakesBuco
  • edited September 3 Posts: 5,706

    I'll see what sorting by reviews does, maybe that's what I'm looking for, thank you. I came from the gig and I did recall some stuff. It's the stuff I've started working on previously so I don't know if Anki gets all the credit. But in general I recommend it t9 anybody that doesn't have a well defined way to practice assimilating new material. Even if you do, it's worth a try. It's easy to get started, and most importantly it doesn't feel like a chore. It's actually fun. It's also a good way to simply document and organize your material.

    By the way, something I heard Tim Lerch say that perfectly describes the process:

    Incorporating things into your playing: 

    -learn the fundamental technique

    -do many repetitions

    -apply creative exploration

    -slowly incorporate into your playing

    billyshakesAzazzell
    Every note wants to go somewhere-Kurt Rosenwinkel
  • limalimalimalima MaineNew
    Posts: 10

    Hi @Buco , glad to hear Anki is going pretty well for you.


    I suggest a filtered deck "recently missed". If you use the same settings that I have, than any card that you rated "Again" or "Hard" that day (from any deck) will be put into this deck. Be sure "Reschedule cards based on my answers in this deck" is unchecked so you don't mess with the algorithm. Then you can study it as much as you wand and be sure you're not affecting the precious algorithm.


    You need to rebuild this deck whenever you want to use it. On mobile, long-press and hit "rebuild deck".


    You can also adjust the search for your purposes. It is well documented here: https://docs.ankiweb.net/searching.html#searching



    Buco
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