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I have 25 or so recorded. There's another 20 or so left to record.
@Azazzell or @limalima are the cards easily created or would it make sense to edit the cards that are in the zip file?
And, if I put everything in one "music" deck, licks/phrases, head melodies, chord charts, would be straightforward to break them up into their own decks afterwards?
Maybe I'll track my progress here. As long as I stick with it. It's not how I feel about practice but I'd like to give it a go.
For example if the algorithm figures you got something down and it shows it only every few weeks. That might be ok in another setting where you can take a few seconds to recall the information. And you might be able to recall it, whether it's a melody or a phrase. But in a musical situation you need that information to file in a matter of milliseconds, instantly. So I don't know, hopefully I'll find out soon, in the next few months.
Basic front->back cards are very easy to create on the phone app, and it's easy to move cards from one deck to another.
If you want to more complicated cards with multiple fields, it's best to install Anki on a PC, create the cards on PC, and then sync them to the phone.
Hi @Buco ,
It's worth getting the schema of the cards / decks right before you make a bunch of them. I've been thinking it over - maybe we should compare notes before making our decks. Perhaps we (inc @Azazzell ) can refine the idea.
I'll try to post again in the next few days
What makes sense to me is to work on the charts, melodies and licks/phrases all separately. So a deck for each. But maybe not...
At the very least what came out of this is now I have about 50 licks/phrases all recorded and catalogued. That was a good work in itself.
That is already a great outcome. Is the cataloging the "author" and an identifier (ie: Bireli B3 chromatic lick) as you described above, or something more?
I've made a phrases deck and about 20 cards. The cards have the following fields:
Lick title
Key
Meter
Length in measures
Chord progression (in roman numerals)
Notation (rendered on travel clef)
Foundational chord shapes (this shows the chord shapes that the lick lands on most, in the Barney Kessel school-of soloing-with chord-grips-way)
Recording full speed
Recording medium (75%)
Recording half speed
Source (tune/recording name if it's from a record or show)
Source song
Midi
Notes
Of course, each card doesn't have every field filled in.
I've done a little experiment using this since this thread was started, but only a little. Front of card is:
Title
Key
Recording at full speed
Midi at full speed
Foundational chord shapes diagram
Back of card is
Notation
Audio at all speeds
I have the deck set to give 0 need cards a day, so I have to manually bring new cards in when I have time every few days. Reviews of cards come automatically every day.
I played the first few licks starting everywhere on the neck where the pitch is (so 2 or 3 usable fingering per lick). Is this how people normally approach lick learning?
Anyway, that's the best thought I have for how this works. It isn't really: drill a brunch is new licks but more: slowly build a solid, usable phrase library and ensure you don't forget them.
Any feedback appreciated.
You're way ahead of me. I won't be that detailed. Maybe to my detriment, I don't know. But my goal is to have them well committed to my ear, that's it. My card is going to be simple; front side will have the name, back side the recording. And when I see the name, I want to be able to instantly hear it in a very detailed way, basically being able to sing every note, and play it.
Tonight, I was driving to the gig and on the way there I was listening to the recordings of them. And I actually played a few during the gig. Now, maybe I would've played them without listening but I felt good about it coming into the gig.
My way is once something is well under my fingers, I just look for songs where I can use them and I try to make sense out of it. Different songs, different keys. I usually don't use a same lick in different octaves. I let them live where i originally learned them or came up with them, in different keys of course.
This is an example of what I've been doing this spring, making sense of various licks. I put together this etude which is really a collection of licks;
Wow, that's super detailed. Nice work.
I keep things pretty simple:
- Front of card:
- Back of card:
Then I just put up a backing track on repeat, try to improvise and use the lick where I can, then rate the card based on how well I used it.
I'm loving the practice so far. What I do is simple; the card shows, if I can play the phrase cleanly then I look up a backing track from my Sundslice library and try it out at a spot or two.
Or if I don't play it cleanly, I check it to show up sooner and then, hopefully, I can do the above.
It was fun experimenting and it lead me to create variations of licks I used previously and try some phrases at spots I didn't hear them working before.
Question; why do cards show different frequency of repeat? Some have "hard" button at two days and some at 10 minutes. It can be any combination of frequency really.
But what I've been doing today is if I can use a phrase in a song, over a few bars, successfully, then I'll dismiss the card for a day or two, regardless of what button difficulty it's under.
That's basically how I'm using it as well, except I'm learning new phrases not just reinforcing those I already know (since I know almost 0). So when a card comes up I listen to it, try to play it in a few places, check the notation, then play it a 5th away from the original key (which typically forces a different string set and fretboard location) and think about a few variations.
If that's all really easy, I mark it as so. Otherwise it gets marked to come again. I get approximately one new card per day.
I'm not including backing track practice with the flash cards, but that's a great idea.
Beware that reviews can really start to pile up into a big wave if you do a lot of new cards at once, and everything kinda falls apart if you don't keep up with reviews.
The frequency of repeat gets longer the more well known a card is. The more times you say a card is "good" in a row the longer the scheduling interval for that card. Think fibonacci. This is to maximize retention - you want to see if when you're about to forget it, not every single day. That's the basic idea. Some licks will eventually be seen every yearly perhaps. But those parameters can be adjusted, as well.
Thanks to @Azazzell and @Buco for suggesting this and trying it out. I wouldn't have taken the effort to make cards otherwise.
On default settings (SM-2, no FSRS) the logic is:
-> If you hit the Good button, the review interval goes to the next learning step (aka goes up by a lot, so that don't waste your time reviewing stuff you already know). When you complete all the learning steps a card becomes "graduated" and future computations use the Ease Factor. If you keep hitting Good on a card the typical review progression goes like: 1 minute, 10 minutes, (graduate) 1 day, 3 days, 7 days, 18 days, 1.5 months, 4 months, 1 year
-> If you hit Hard, the interval will also go up by a computed average (so it might show weird decimal numbers sometimes) and repeat the current step.
-> If you hit Again on card that has not yet graduated, the interval will go to the smallest of the learning steps.
-> If you hit Again on a card that was graduated (they call this a Lapse), the interval will go to the smallest of the re-learning steps (10m on default settings).
-> If you hit Easy, the card is changed to "graduated" immediately and the interval goes to your setting for Easy Interval, so that you don't have to work your way through the learning steps.
You can dive into details here:
- https://docs.ankiweb.net/deck-options.html#learning-steps
- https://docs.ankiweb.net/deck-options.html#lapses
- https://faqs.ankiweb.net/what-spaced-repetition-algorithm
Anki thinks in minutes by default, but for licks I find that days work better. So I just change the learning steps to 1d 2d 4d 8d, and relearning steps to 1d.
I also change the "Timer->Minimum answer seconds" from 60 to 1200 so that I have 20minutes to review a card.
Dismissing/burying more than 1-2 cards per session is not a good idea, because you're bypassing the whole spaced repetition algorithm, which is the whole point of Anki.
Hope it helps.