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La folle with Matelot and mystery tune

stublastubla Prodigy Godefroy Maruejouls
edited December 2007 in History Posts: 386
I have an anon recording of this tune(La Folle)--it sounds like a 40's or 50's recording-- Its definitely(almost) Jo Privat--i'm pretty sure the guitarist though is not Baro but Matelot--its followed by another beautiful minor key waltz which again has a short solo which has to be Matelot--he uses those familar minor sixth licks(as in Manouche Partie)
Anyone recognise the recording?-i need to know the title of the 2nd waltz as well.
Scot? Ted? Francois?

Cheers
Stu
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  • nwilkinsnwilkins New
    Posts: 431
    Stu,

    are these recordings definitely not the Baro/Privat sessions (with La Folle, Panique, etc.)?

    Nick
  • Ted GottsegenTed Gottsegen Rowayton, CTModerator
    Posts: 615
    Hey Stu,

    I know that there were two versions of "La Folie" were recorded during the "Valses Bebop"sessions - one is a tweaked out version, and another is a very vanilla and straight.

    Also, note my spelling of this tune, which is taken off the original 10" jacket of Baro's record - it appears as if somewhere along the line the tune was renamed "La Folle" - perhaps on either the original Hot Club Records reissue of Romane's "Impair et Valse".

    Best,

    Ted
  • stublastubla Prodigy Godefroy Maruejouls
    Posts: 386
    Hey Stu,

    I know that there were two versions of "La Folie" were recorded during the "Valses Bebop"sessions - one is a tweaked out version, and another is a very vanilla and straight.

    Also, note my spelling of this tune, which is taken off the original 10" jacket of Baro's record - it appears as if somewhere along the line the tune was renamed "La Folle" - perhaps on either the original Hot Club Records reissue of Romane's "Impair et Valse".

    Best,

    Ted


    Hi Ted and Nick
    Its definitely not from the 1949 period Baro/Privat sessions
    Actually i spoke to the 'great Scot' this afternoon--he reckons its Sarane on gtr and possibly Murena on accordion--hes helping me out--its really the 2nd waltz i'm interested in. Hes going to check his collection(which i'd KILL for!)
    Interesting about "La Folie"!---makes more sense doesn't it!?
    BUT...the original sheet music(Leon Agel 1951) is titled "La FolLe-Valse swing improvisation"-
    the "Swing Valses...hier..aujourd'hui" is the 2nd Baro recording after all.
    Whatever the spelling,all those waltzes of Baro are inspired and,even to this day, unique masterpieces!
    I'm not lucky enough to have the original 78rpm records of Privat and Baro sadly!

    Cheers guys
    Stu
  • BarengeroBarengero Auda CityProdigy
    Posts: 527
    nwilkins wrote:
    Stu,

    are these recordings definitely not the Baro/Privat sessions (with La Folle, Panique, etc.)?

    Nick

    Hi Stu,

    what is it about this recordings? I don´t know them. Please give me a clue.

    Best

    Barengero
  • scotscot Virtuoso
    Posts: 519
    All the old sheet music calls it "La Folle". And I am fairly sure that the 2nd version (the flip side of Ballad Nocturne) by "Jo Privat et l'Ensemble Balajo" has Didi Duprat on guitar, not Baro. The first version is certainly Baro, but if you listen to the 2nd version the guitarist is not Baro - he plays with skill but not with Baro's elan. It isn't the RH of any Ferret, it's not Django or Joseph - but it does sound like Didi Duprat in those days.

    The recordings of Baro in question here are by Baro Ferret et son Ensemble - the tunes were La Folle, Panique, Dinalie Mineur and Turbulent Zoe. The musicians were Baro, Sarrane, Montagne, Privat and Jeremy Graind'son on bass. The date is usually given as 1949 but I think it was more like 1946. These are astounding recordings of wonderful compositions from King Baro played to the nth degree. Really there is nothing else quite like them, except of course Baro's recordings from the 60s.

    I recently uncovered two more unknown sides by Baro with Jo Privat, a 2nd version of Dinalie Mineur, and L'as des As (The Ace of Aces). I think it's Baro here too, but I don't have solid information yet. Credit for the writing is to Baro. But here it might be Duprat, too.

    Stu, I didn't figure out that tune yet - patience!

    Cheers
    Scot
  • BarengeroBarengero Auda CityProdigy
    Posts: 527
    scot wrote:

    The recordings of Baro in question here are by Baro Ferret et son Ensemble - the tunes were La Folle, Panique, Dinalie Mineur and Turbulent Zoe. The musicians were Baro, Sarrane, Montagne, Privat and Jeremy Graind'son on bass. The date is usually given as 1949 but I think it was more like 1946. These are astounding recordings of wonderful compositions from King Baro played to the nth degree. Really there is nothing else quite like them, except of course Baro's recordings from the 60s.

    I recently uncovered two more unknown sides by Baro with Jo Privat, a 2nd version of Dinalie Mineur, and L'as des As (The Ace of Aces). I think it's Baro here too, but I don't have solid information yet. Credit for the writing is to Baro. But here it might be Duprat, too.

    Stu, I didn't figure out that tune yet - patience!

    Cheers
    Scot

    Hi All,

    I know that my discography is very incomplete in regard to Baro Ferret:

    Ferret, Pierre „Baro“

    1.
    Pierre „Baro“ Ferret Swing Valses D'Hier Et D´Aujourdhui
    Vogue (EP)
    Tracklist:
    Swing Valse; Ma Zaza; L´Inatendue; Le Valse a Peguri
    Personnel: ?

    2.
    Pierre „Baro“ Ferret Swing Valses D'Hier Et D'Aujour D´hui
    Vogue CLVLX 9030 LP 1966
    Tracklist:
    Swing Valse; Baro Bar; Reine de Musette; Chez Jacquet; La Valse A Peguri; Minch Valse; Ma Zaza; Reglement de Compte; La Folie; L ´Inattendue; Depart de Zorro; La Jungle (rec. 1965/66)
    Personnel:
    Baro Ferret (s-g); Jacques Montagne (r-g); Matelo Ferret (r-g); Geo Dali (vib); Jean Claude Pelletier (org); GilbertGassin (b); Roger Paraboschi (dr)

    3.
    Pierre „Baro“ Ferret Répétition de Valses
    Swing Pyral, L Écho du Monde (Privé) (33 t 17 cm)
    Tracklist?

    Personnel:
    Pierre „Baro“ Ferret (g), J. Montagne (g); F. Moerman (g); Cérani (g)

    4.
    Pierre „Baro“ Ferret Interpreté „ses swing valses“
    Vogue ELP 8 442

    Tracklist?

    Personnel:
    Pierre „Baro“ Ferret (g); Géo Dali (vib); J.-Claude Pelletier (org).

    5.
    Gus Viseur et son Ensemble: Djangology
    Vogue 12272 (EP 7“) 1971

    Tracklist:
    Djangology; Le Tricheur

    Personnel:
    Gus Viseur (acc); Matelot Ferret (g); Baro Ferret (g).


    6.
    Jacques Montagne, Baro Ferret : Á La Lanterne
    Pyral, L Ècho du Monde, (33 rpm, 17 cm)

    Tracklist?

    Personnel?

    7.
    Gus „Tatave“ Viseur: Le Double Disque d Ór de Gus „Tatave“ Viseur
    Vogue 416027 (2LP) 1979 1)

    Tracklist:
    (LP 1) Swing 39; Confessin´; Djangology; I´m getting sentimental over you; Aquarius; Swing 42; Deep Purple; Cheek to Cheek; Sweet Georgia Brown; This Girl´s In Love with you; (LP 2) Soir de Dispute; Josseline; Bourrasque; Franzino; Imprevu; Bele Touche; Gracieuzette; 15 Mai; Sans Rancune; Adios Pepita; Mintch Valse; Balajo

    Personnel LP 1):
    Gus Viseur (acc); Claude Civelli (cl); Jean „Matelot“ Ferret (g); Pierre „Baro“ Ferret (g); Jacques Petitsigne (b); Roger Paraboschi (dm);(rec. 1969/1971)
    Personnel LP 2): Gus Viseur (acc); Michel Gesina, René duchaussoir (g); Fred Ermelin (b); Roger Paraboschi (dm) (rec. 1979)

    8.
    Various Artists: Jazz Gitan
    (Jazz Archives No. 144) EPM 159472 CD 19??

    Tracklist:
    Trio Ferret: Ma Theo; Gin Gin; La Valse Des Niglots.

    Personnel:
    Pierre "Baro" Ferret (g); Jean "Matelo" Ferret (g); Challun Ferret (g); Maurice Speilleux (b). (rec. Paris 02/03/1939)

    9.
    Baro Ferret: Swing Valses D'Hier Et D´Aujourd´Hui
    Hot Club Records HCRCD 45 (The Vintage Guitars volume 5) 1988
    Tracklist:
    Swing Valse; Baro Bar; Reine de Musette; Chez Jacquet; La Valse A Peguri; Minch Valse; Ma Zaza; Reglement de Compte; La Folle; L ´Inattendue; Depart de Zorro; La Jungle (rec. 1965/66)

    Personnel:
    Baro Ferret (s-g); Jacques Montagne (r-g); Matelo Ferret (r-g); Geo Dali (vib); Jean Claude Pelletier (org); GilbertGassin (b); Roger Paraboschi (dr)


    Can anyone help to complete this?


    Best,

    Barengero
  • stublastubla Prodigy Godefroy Maruejouls
    Posts: 386
    Barengero wrote:
    nwilkins wrote:
    Stu,

    are these recordings definitely not the Baro/Privat sessions (with La Folle, Panique, etc.)?

    Nick

    Hi Stu,

    what is it about this recordings? I don´t know them. Please give me a clue.

    Best

    Barengero

    Scot or Ted could tell you alot more but......
    They are 78 rpm recordings done around 1949 and represent Baro Ferret at the peak of his powers-Jo Privats playing is also amazing--
    La Folle
    Dinalie mineur
    Turbalent Zoe(incredible!)
    Panique(this one is of course is on the 'Gypsy Jazz School' cds)
    .....are there any others Scot?
    These waltzes point to a new direction for Musette that even now i don't think has been realised.They really show that Baro was,at his best, second only to Django imo.
    Stu
  • BarengeroBarengero Auda CityProdigy
    Posts: 527
    stubla wrote:

    Panique(this one is of course is on the 'Gypsy Jazz School' cds)…

    Stu

    Hi Stu,

    oooops! I actually surveyed this yet! There is "La Folle" on the "Gipsy Jazz School"-CD, too. And there are pictures of the 78´in the Maccafeeri-Book (page 112, 113)

    So it is:

    Pierre "Baro" Ferret & Son Ensemble
    Odéon 282 044
    Paris 1946

    Tracks:

    La Folle (Valse Be-Bop)
    Panique (Valse Be-Bop)

    Personnel:
    Pierre "Baro" Ferret (solo guitar)
    Jacques Montagne (guitar)
    Sarane Ferret (guitar)
    Jo Privat (accordeon)
    Jeremy Graind´son (drums)

    (what a line up!)

    Thank you, Stu

    Best

    Barengero
  • stublastubla Prodigy Godefroy Maruejouls
    Posts: 386
    Barengero wrote:
    stubla wrote:

    Panique(this one is of course is on the 'Gypsy Jazz School' cds)…

    Stu

    Hi Stu,

    oooops! I actually surveyed this yet! There is "La Folle" on the "Gipsy Jazz School"-CD, too. And there are pictures of the 78´in the Maccafeeri-Book (page 112, 113)

    So it is:

    Pierre "Baro" Ferret & Son Ensemble
    Odéon 282 044
    Paris 1946

    Tracks:

    La Folle (Valse Be-Bop)
    Panique (Valse Be-Bop)

    Personnel:
    Pierre "Baro" Ferret (solo guitar)
    Jacques Montagne (guitar)
    Sarane Ferret (guitar)
    Jo Privat (accordeon)
    Jeremy Graind´son (drums)

    (what a line up!)

    Thank you, Stu

    Best

    Barengero


    Barengero
    Thanks.
    I intend to record these waltzes,particularly"Panique" "Dinalie mineur" and "Turbalent Zoe" on my cd--i had a go at "Panique" 3 years ago but wasn't really ready :-(
    The most remarkable waltz is "Turbalent Zoe"--which sounds like Prokofiev jamming on the 'left bank' with Privat,Monk,Django and Baro...you gotta hear it!!

    I'll never match the originals(how could you?) but those compositions deserve a new interpretation.And i'm up for it now!!!!!
    Stu
  • BarengeroBarengero Auda CityProdigy
    Posts: 527
    I ought to add the following recordings of Baro Ferret I have only on CD:

    10.
    CD: Accordeon 1913-1941 Fremeaux et Associes DH002 CD (double CD)

    Baro Ferret tracks:

    a. Gus Viseur et son orchestre: Flambée Montalbanaise
    Gus Viseur (acc)
    Pierre "Baro" Ferret (g solo)
    Jean "Matlo" Ferret (g)
    Maurice Speilleux (cb)
    Paris 9/8/1940

    b. Gus Viseur et son ensemble: Jeanette
    Gus Viseur (acc)
    Pierre "Baro" Ferret (g solo)
    Jean "Matlo" Ferret (g)
    Boris Sarbeck (pno)
    Maurice Speilleux (cb)
    Paris 20/12/1938

    c. Tony Murena et son ensemble swing: Christopher Columbus
    Tony Murena (acc)
    Pierre "Baro" Ferret (g solo)
    Etienne "Sarane" Ferret (g)
    inconnu (cb)
    Paris 1941

    d. Tony Murena & son ensemble: Nostalgia Gitana
    Tony Murena (acc)
    Pierre "Baro" Ferret (g solo)
    Lucien "Lulu" Galopin (g)
    inconnu (cb)
    Paris 1940

    e. Gus Viseur et son orchestre: Swing Valse
    Gus Viseur (acc)
    Pierre "Baro" Ferret (g solo)
    René "Challain" Ferret (g)
    Maurice Speilleux (cb)
    Paris 9/8/1940

    f. Gus Viseur & son ensemble: Soir de dispute
    Gus Viseur (acc)
    Pierre "Baro" Ferret (g solo)
    Jean "Matlo" Ferret (g)
    Boris Sarbeck (pno)
    Maurice Speilleux (cb)
    Paris 20/12/1938

    g. Guérino et son orchestre musette de boite a matelots: Brise Napolitaine
    Guérino (acc)
    Django Reinhardt (g solo)
    Pierre "Baro" Ferret (g)
    inconnu (vln)
    Paris 12/3/1933

    h. Guérino et son orchestre musette de boite a matelots: La Valse à Nini
    Guérino (acc)
    Pierre "Baro" Ferret (g)
    Gusti Malha (g)
    Jean Peyronnin (pno)
    inconnu (vln)
    Paris 1933

    i. Guérino et son orchestre musette de boite a matelots: Gallito
    Guérino (acc)
    Django Reinhardt (g solo)
    Pierre "Baro" Ferret (g)
    inconnu (vln)
    Paris 1932

    Does anyone know the Label and Label-numbers of this sides (excepting the well-known sides with the participation of Django Reinhardt)?

    12.
    CD: Accordeon Musette/Swing/Paris 1925-1942 Vol. 2
    Fremeaux et Associes F&A 005 CD (double CD)

    Baro Ferret tracks:

    a. Tony Murena et son ensemble swing: Indifférence
    Tony Murena (acc)
    Pierre "Baro" Ferret (g solo)
    Etienne "Sarane" Ferret (g)
    inconnu (cb)
    Odéon Kl 9373
    Paris 30/05/1942

    b. Tony Murena et son ensemble swing: Passion
    Tony Murena (acc)
    Pierre "Baro" Ferret (g solo)
    Etienne "Sarane" Ferret (g)
    inconnu (cb)
    Odéon Kl 9372
    Paris 30/05/1942

    c. Tony Murena et son ensemble swing: Milk-bar
    Tony Murena (acc)
    Pierre "Baro" Ferret (g solo)
    Etienne "Sarane" Ferret (g)
    inconnu (cb)
    Odéon Kl 9424
    Paris Oct. 1942

    d. Tony Murena et son ensemble swing: Maria
    Tony Murena (acc)
    Pierre "Baro" Ferret (g solo)
    Etienne "Sarane" Ferret (g)
    inconnu (cb)
    Odéon Kl 9424
    Paris Oct. 1942

    Best,

    Barengero
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