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Band in a Box - Now with Real Gypsy Jazz Tracks!

pmgpmg ATHERTON, CANew Dupont
edited July 2011 in Repertoire Posts: 84
The latest version of Band in Box (2011) has just been introduced and it is awesome! Over the last few years they have been adding real instrument sounds and tracks to the product starting (of course) with traditional rock and blues. They have FINALLY added real gypsy jazz instruments and tracks!!! Go to this link for a demo: http://www.pgmusic.com/realtracks.audvid.win.htm. Scroll down and listen to the demos for real tracks 109 (fast swing) and 110 (ballads). The instruments are played by our favorite guys, John Jorgenson, Gonzalo Bergarra, Simon Planting, and Tim Kliphuis. The full product has gotten to be so large that they now ship it on a disk drive. I had the full 2008 version and was offered a full 2011 upgrade with over 100 real track sets for $159 plus $15 for overnight shipping including the USB disk drive that has about 100 GB of extra space for adding in my older BIB songs. This is a "Christmas" special and it normally sells for almost $300. Though I have not yet received it, I understand that I can load in my older tunes, pick a real tracks style, and they are now played back with real instruments. Can't wait for this to arrive!!!
I'm always interested in jamming with experienced jazz and gypsy jazz players in the San Francisco - San Jose area. Drop me a line. Bass players welcome!
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  • pmgpmg ATHERTON, CANew Dupont
    Posts: 84
    More . . .

    As an example, I took an old midi version of Autumn Leaves and 1) changed the style to the new Real Tracks gypsy rhythm section (at ~210 BPM) then 2) created a solo in the style of John Jorgenson with a few easy key strokes for 32 bars then 3) did the same on the next 32 bars - but changed soloists to Tim Kliphuis on violin. I then printed out the whole solo (John and TIm).

    Not only can you study these very melodic lines at slower tempos - but you can also trade 4's (or 8's) with the "Real" players and have a ball and learn a LOT very quickly. You can also regenerate solos if you get bored with one and I think the options are endless. Very cool!

    Possible con: the real instruments can not play the original melody - only solo lines - but since there are many other materials out there for learning the melodies (or you can record them in yourself!), this is a minor issue IMO given the very ample feature list of this new version.

    I have just about every lesson book in this genre and rate this new BIAB as "5 Stars" in its ability to deliver a high quality learning experience. Highly recommended and FUN!!!

    BTW, if you purchase the Ultimate Pak, there are MANY MANY other "Real" styles and soloists for other genres. Unbelievable value and endless hours of fun.

    I'm always interested in jamming with experienced jazz and gypsy jazz players in the San Francisco - San Jose area. Drop me a line. Bass players welcome!
  • Craig BumgarnerCraig Bumgarner Drayden, MarylandVirtuoso Bumgarner S/N 001
    Posts: 794
    Anyone have any updates on this?

    I don't think I would use most of the other styles, so I'm thinking of just getting the Pro version (i.e the basic version) plus RealTracks 109 and 110. With that, I presume I can set up backing tracks in the GJ style and have JJ, Gonzo or Tim play a solo if I ask for it.

    Will the above do gypsy bossas, boleros and waltzes in RealTracks or just basic 4/4 pompe?

    What can you do in the GJ style without the RealTracks?

    CB
  • bopsterbopster St. Louis, MOProdigy Altamira M30, Wide Sky PL-1
    Posts: 432
    I've been playing with BiaB Real Tracks, and am experimenting with creating a usable waltz. I still don't have it perfect yet, but I will report progress. It is possible to create a waltz with the Real Tracks, but getting the guitar to always have the "grace note" swoosh before beat 1 is the challenge.
  • Craig BumgarnerCraig Bumgarner Drayden, MarylandVirtuoso Bumgarner S/N 001
    Posts: 794
    bopster wrote:
    I've been playing with BiaB Real Tracks, and am experimenting with creating a usable waltz......

    Interesting! I was just exchanging emails with one of our group members about whether there is a Real Track swing waltz style. Have you tried outside of the GJ 109 & 110 sets? Sets 76 & 28 among others for instance. The descriptions make me think they may not fit GJ expectations, but curious If you had considered these.

    Let us know how you make out. I don't personally know much about editing styles, let alone RT styles.

    I went ahead and upgraded to the basic version 2011. Am holding off on Real Track packs until I get a better handle on it. The basic version (Pro) includes a few RealTracks just to entice and the _JAZMEDL style is a pretty good swing style if you mute the drums and adjust the instrument volumes.

    CB

    Craig
  • Archtop EddyArchtop Eddy Manitou Springs, ColoradoModerator
    Posts: 589
    Just got the updated BIAB myself. I used BIAB years ago on a PC but this is my first time using the Mac version. I see a whole lot of good stuff happenin' with the Gypsy jazz real tracks! The Mac version does have a few features missing -- the biggest being the lack of TAB on solo tracks -- but I felt it was worth the investment to ugrade and cross-over. I'm thinking this might be a good place to start linking with each other to share files. The real-track solos by John, Gonzalo and Tim, with Simon holding down the party on the bass are really sweet. To give you a taste, I've attached an mp3 file of a song I charted (Fleur de Lavende), trading fours with Gonzalo. He takes the first four and the next four is open for you solo on, etc. Of course, this is only one of many ways to use BIAB and the GJ tracks. I think this will be a fabulous learning tool. AE

  • bopsterbopster St. Louis, MOProdigy Altamira M30, Wide Sky PL-1
    Posts: 432
    Here's a beginning attempt at forcing the Jorgenson track and bass track to perform a waltz. Not perfect, but I'm still not done yet.....
  • Archtop EddyArchtop Eddy Manitou Springs, ColoradoModerator
    Posts: 589
    Nice job on the waltz! It's very useable the way it is. Any chance after you get the final tweaks in it you might share the style with your fellow BIAB users? It would be nice if BIAB in future upgrades to Gypsy Jazz styles would add the Gypsy bossa, bolero, waltzes, etc. I'd also like to see a flat-four Gypsy jazz style like Joseph Reinhardt's Bric a Brac, as well as some of the more modern swing styles like More or the Way You Look Tonight by Rocky Gressett and some of the 607 fellas. I guess the best bet is to put this all down on BIAB's wishlist...
  • Archtop EddyArchtop Eddy Manitou Springs, ColoradoModerator
    Posts: 589
    Band in a Box has a new Mac update 2011.5 and added two new Gypsy Jazz styles: Latin and Waltzes! Most excellent and useful. Unfortunately, they still haven't added TAB functions to the Mac version...
  • I use my new PC version a lot and enjoy practicing along with something that sounds a little more like real instruments

    The old mac version sounded really cheesy
    The Magic really starts to happen when you can play it with your eyes closed
  • Archtop EddyArchtop Eddy Manitou Springs, ColoradoModerator
    Posts: 589
    The new Mac version with the Realtracks sounds great! In fact, in some of the clips they compare the old midi tracks with the new Realtracks and you can see the difference. It's just the Mac version needs catch up with the PC version and add the TAB option to make it a fully useful.
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