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Schertler Pickup and Unico Amp Question

WowBobWowWowBobWow Another Time & SpaceNew
Hi,

My problem is this;
I have a D-hole guitar and a unico and schertler pickup. When I set up the whole marriage of the three in small room or carpeted place the amp, pickup, and guitar sound like heaven.
Then when I play in larger room or spacious area the whole thing (my guitar, unico, pickup) sounds just awful--as if I have playing an electric guitar in an underground cave. Can anyone please share the best way to go about finding a way to solve the problem?
(my usual way of setting things if to have no reverb, the reson knob in the middle, and I place the other treble and bass knobs in the middle and adjust those to find a pleasant tone. Also I place the schertler about a centimeter away from the bridge near the tailpiece)

Thanks

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  • MichaelHorowitzMichaelHorowitz SeattleAdministrator
    Posts: 5,815
    Hard to say what the problem is.....maybe you ARE actually playing in a cave...or a room that sounds like one. After all, the room effects so much of the sound.

    One thing that will help is to find the sweet spot on your guitar. Maybe have a friend play your guitar while you move the pu around like a stethoscope...that way you can hear all the different sounds. In most cases the closer to the foot of the bridge the better. I put mine right next to the foot...it actually touches it.If I move it an inch it sounds totally different.

    You should only use the reson control if you're having feedback. You might also try the low frequency cut switch...you might be getting some low frequency build up for some reason.



    Good luck!

    -Michael
  • Ted GottsegenTed Gottsegen Rowayton, CTModerator
    Posts: 615
    Hey Bob,
    WowBobWow wrote:
    Hi,
    My problem is this;
    I have a D-hole guitar and a unico and schertler pickup. When I set up the whole marriage of the three in small room or carpeted place the amp, pickup, and guitar sound like heaven.

    The carpet is actually pretty irrelevant. I get a great sound in small rooms with the amp on concrete, wood of whatever.
    WowBobWow wrote:
    Then when I play in larger room or spacious area the whole thing (my guitar, unico, pickup) sounds just awful--as if I have playing an electric guitar in an underground cave.

    Can anyone please share the best way to go about finding a way to solve the problem?

    Two things I'd suggest you think about.

    1. Remember, this is an electronic method for creating synthetic acoustic sound. How great it is, it's still "fake". My experience in larger rooms is that you need to reset-up your amp (bass/treble/volume/reverb) to fit room inwhich you're playing in. Do this by reseting everything, and roling each control up to 3 until you get the mix you like. Than raise each up to 5 individually and tweak accordingly until you get something which you like and works well for that room. The couple times that I've played festivals with a Unico, I could keep the main volume down by micing the amp itself, which was a nice combo but not always possible.

    2. Not every room is going to be acoustically sound. At the very worst the larger room you're playing sonically sucks. I used to play in a restuarant every week that was basically a cavern - it was a large open space made up straight concrete with large glass windows) and no amp sounded good in it. I've also played in a room that was three levels, we were on the top (100 feet above the audience) and I was facing large, plate glass windows....not much I could do there, either.

    3. You might try placing the pick-up in a different place in larger rooms. I've placed the pick-up in different places (really close to the bass side of the bridge) and it worked for a few gigs, then I hated it, so I switched it again. You just have to spent time before each gig working out the kinks.

    Good Luck and let us know if any of this stuff works for you.

    Best,

    Ted
  • d-nationd-nation San FranciscoNew
    Posts: 16
    Thanks guys for the speedy responses! I will take your words to work and tinker with all the possible factors. I was hoping for a secret formula that might exist in the unico manual but a hunch told me it wasn`t going to be so easy. I will keep you guys posted with the results if I figure out a personal system for the problem.
    Thanks again and all the best!
    Viva Bireli!
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